Comments on: Why the web used to need Flash (and might not need it anymore) http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/ flash and actioscript development Thu, 17 May 2012 09:38:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: lsyre http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-1611 lsyre Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:21:14 +0000 http://apdevblog.com/?p=767#comment-1611 Actually, i don't see the point in discussing the whole Flash vs HTML5 stuff (again). Apple has set a standard in leaving Flash behind. None of the (happy) iOS-Device owners is really complaining about the lack of video and banner ads. Just look at Youtube and Facebook: HTML5 is the new de facto standard. Actually, i don’t see the point in discussing the whole Flash vs HTML5 stuff (again). Apple has set a standard in leaving Flash behind. None of the (happy) iOS-Device owners is really complaining about the lack of video and banner ads. Just look at Youtube and Facebook: HTML5 is the new de facto standard.

]]> By: jobSucker http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-1136 jobSucker Wed, 19 May 2010 16:14:34 +0000 http://apdevblog.com/?p=767#comment-1136 lol - from your article it sounds like someone has drunk the apple cool aid. if you've got an apple shaped hole in your heart then no fact or argument or list of statistics is gonna help reintroduce you to the real world but hey best of luck dude- you're gonna need it! lol lol – from your article it sounds like someone has drunk the apple cool aid.

if you’ve got an apple shaped hole in your heart then no fact or argument or list of statistics is gonna help reintroduce you to the real world

but hey best of luck dude- you’re gonna need it! lol

]]> By: Phil http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-1007 Phil Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:05:11 +0000 http://apdevblog.com/?p=767#comment-1007 I think Grant summed it up pretty well: http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2010/02/my_thoughts_on.html let's just wait and see .... I think Grant summed it up pretty well:
http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2010/02/my_thoughts_on.html

let’s just wait and see ….

]]> By: Dorian http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-1004 Dorian Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:31:12 +0000 http://apdevblog.com/?p=767#comment-1004 Hey Aron, good writeup! I just think that even if the hardware of the iPad was powerful enough it wouldn't necessarily mean that Flash would "work" in mobile Safari. E.g. Safari uses some logic to guess which link you wanted to click when you tap on the screen, so you don't miss it with your clumsy fingers. That would probably not work inside a Plugin. Another thing is that you don't have a mouse over state, and many Flash interfaces rely on it. It wouldn't have been a good experience anyway. I wrote down my two cents on this yesterday as well, leave me a comment! Cheers, Dorian Hey Aron, good writeup! I just think that even if the hardware of the iPad was powerful enough it wouldn’t necessarily mean that Flash would “work” in mobile Safari. E.g. Safari uses some logic to guess which link you wanted to click when you tap on the screen, so you don’t miss it with your clumsy fingers. That would probably not work inside a Plugin. Another thing is that you don’t have a mouse over state, and many Flash interfaces rely on it. It wouldn’t have been a good experience anyway.

I wrote down my two cents on this yesterday as well, leave me a comment!

Cheers, Dorian

]]> By: Jens Franke http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-1003 Jens Franke Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:05:50 +0000 http://apdevblog.com/?p=767#comment-1003 @Aron: I would like to use the handshake icon from Skype. ;) @Aron: I would like to use the handshake icon from Skype. ;)

]]> By: Aron http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-1002 Aron Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:43:18 +0000 http://apdevblog.com/?p=767#comment-1002 @Sven I admit, that I'm mixing up two things here. I share the critic on closed ecosystem (the gatekeeper issue) like described <a href="http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/01/28/some-personal-thoughts-on-apple-and-the-trend-towards-closed-platforms/">here</a> and <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,673182,00.html">here</a> (german). This can block innovations in long term. However, as Jens correctly said, this is (sadly) a good thing for normal users, especially when they're not tech-guys. The normal user simply do not care. The normal user want to have a stable, easy to use system. The normal user has no need to customize the system, like we do. The normal user just want to have it worked out. Maybe a compromise would be to have a super easy to use OS like MacOS with still all rights on the system (highly customizable) and besides that an AppStore with reviewed and certificated Apps for normal users. Also, I fully agree with Jens, Apple has the far better tools. I know, not 100% comparable to Adobe, since different target systems, but still. Apple made a hell of a job, by giving the developer tools, that almost automatically end up in well designed and well to use applications. Adobe missed that train. Adobe put all their focus on technology. Missing, that the majority of users don't care about features, what they do care about is user experience. @Sven I admit, that I’m mixing up two things here. I share the critic on closed ecosystem (the gatekeeper issue) like described here and here (german). This can block innovations in long term.

However, as Jens correctly said, this is (sadly) a good thing for normal users, especially when they’re not tech-guys. The normal user simply do not care. The normal user want to have a stable, easy to use system. The normal user has no need to customize the system, like we do. The normal user just want to have it worked out.

Maybe a compromise would be to have a super easy to use OS like MacOS with still all rights on the system (highly customizable) and besides that an AppStore with reviewed and certificated Apps for normal users.

Also, I fully agree with Jens, Apple has the far better tools. I know, not 100% comparable to Adobe, since different target systems, but still. Apple made a hell of a job, by giving the developer tools, that almost automatically end up in well designed and well to use applications.

Adobe missed that train. Adobe put all their focus on technology. Missing, that the majority of users don’t care about features, what they do care about is user experience.

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]]> By: Jens Franke http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-995 Jens Franke Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:37:04 +0000 http://apdevblog.com/?p=767#comment-995 From my perspective Flash is standing still for more then one year now. My main problem with Flash are usability issues and I don't think that Adobe will work on this topic in the near future. My second problem is that I can't see a real strategy behind all this new products. Currently most of them are no products for productions - most of them are buggy beta stuff. My first job with XCode, Cocoa and the iPhone SDK was a really nice experience. Apple offer such a great UI-Framework and I also like the Interface Builder. I really like the focus on usability and simplicity and that's also an important point from a user perspective. And sure as developer I don't like the Gateway-Keeper politics, but for me as a user it isn't such a big thing. Will this politics kill innovation? Maybe yes, but in a really short time the App Store is full of great applications and innovations. A long time ago, Adobe release Flash Lite ... and it's hard to see that Adobe miss some things: A distribution model, which is usable for users. Cheers Jens From my perspective Flash is standing still for more then one year now.

My main problem with Flash are usability issues and I don’t think that Adobe will work on this topic in the near future. My second problem is that I can’t see a real strategy behind all this new products. Currently most of them are no products for productions – most of them are buggy beta stuff.

My first job with XCode, Cocoa and the iPhone SDK was a really nice experience. Apple offer such a great UI-Framework and I also like the Interface Builder. I really like the focus on usability and simplicity and that’s also an important point from a user perspective.

And sure as developer I don’t like the Gateway-Keeper politics, but for me as a user it isn’t such a big thing. Will this politics kill innovation? Maybe yes, but in a really short time the App Store is full of great applications and innovations.

A long time ago, Adobe release Flash Lite … and it’s hard to see that Adobe miss some things: A distribution model, which is usable for users.

Cheers
Jens

]]> By: Sven Busse http://apdevblog.com/why-the-web-used-to-need-flash-and-might-not-need-it-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-994 Sven Busse Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:53:38 +0000 http://apdevblog.com/?p=767#comment-994 Hi, "Adobe set a proprietary industry standard with Flash (perfectly described by Ryan here) and now Apple (tries to) set a new proprietary industry standard with their platform." Come on, you can't compare that. The first one provided a platform, that you could use to enhance the web experience. The second one is trying to dictate, how you experience the web, if you're into apple products. Hi,

“Adobe set a proprietary industry standard with Flash (perfectly described by Ryan here) and now Apple (tries to) set a new proprietary industry standard with their platform.”

Come on, you can’t compare that. The first one provided a platform, that you could use to enhance the web experience. The second one is trying to dictate, how you experience the web, if you’re into apple products.

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